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something strange is happening on May

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30th row planet presents all the strange

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2020 a virtual online Expo highlighting

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and celebrating UFOs extraterrestrial

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life ghosts Bigfoot you know all the

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strange join us on May 30th as we

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showcase a series of fun presentations

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delivered by a lineup of awesome humans

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who are fascinated by the strange and

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get this all the strange 2020 is a 100%

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free event so jump over to all the

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this is somewhere in the skies

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in 1996 I had the first of my four UFO

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sightings but this was the big one the

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first one this pretty much blew the

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doors off my reality it took place in

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Montana and the story leading up to the

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sighting is almost just as good as the

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sighting itself in 96 I was 20 years old

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and I worked very hard for a baseball

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scholarship and that was taken away from

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me and instead of wallowing in self-pity

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in my bedroom I convinced a friend of

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mine to move to Montana when I left high

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school most of the guys were going to

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either Colorado or Arizona one or the

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other and I said you know what let's

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change this up and I convinced a buddy

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of mine to go to Montana when we were

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out in Montana during our first month it

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was in the middle of winter we sat in an

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empty apartment for a month knew nobody

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and then this man just started knocking

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on her door all the time he was

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absolutely nuts we know it but we had

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nothing to do and we entertained them he

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just showed up every day sat in our

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living room and just spewed conspiracy

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theories telling us that 1999 December

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31st was the end of the world and we

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should get ready

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and that AIDS and cancer was mainlined

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into society by the American government

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you know as 20 year old kids this was

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this was entertaining to just sit there

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and listen to this guy rather than just

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stare at the walls and wait for the snow

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to melt anyway this guy just kept

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talking about this cabin he owned up in

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the north part of Montana and this is

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where he was gonna get ready for y2k

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this is where him and these people on

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his commune we're gonna prepare for the

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end of the world so we listened to this

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guy for about a month straight he'd stop

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in every day and just spew the same

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nonsense and then one day he asked us if

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we would like to take a ride if we would

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like to go to this cabin now Montana is

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a big state in the southwestern part

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where we were we were going to have to

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drive to the Canadian border

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and if you can picture a map this is

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exactly like driving from New York City

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to Cleveland Ohio it was a long way but

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we were bored and we jumped in my car

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one night

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we started driving and around midnight

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the guy actually gave us some wrong

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directions I think on purpose and we got

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stuck in the snow we were not going

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anywhere so we had to start walking and

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we started walking through the Montana

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wilderness in the middle of winter with

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somebody we knew was certifiably crazy

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it was me and my friend and we just

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followed this man as he just kept

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telling us this is the way to my cabin

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if we don't make it to my cabin we're

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pretty much gonna freeze to death so

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your car stuck you're going nowhere and

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if you don't follow me you're basically

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dead so we started following this guy

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and right off the bat he jumped off the

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road and we started walking through the

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woods and we knew we were lost and we

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were in big trouble

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he just kept the fire and off you know

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all about the conspiracy theories and

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you know where do you meet this person

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tomorrow when you know the Sun comes up

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and we hadn't even gotten to the cabin

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yet we were just afraid for our life so

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as we were walking through the woods we

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were starting to give up hope and he saw

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a clearing and we finally came out into

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this clearing where he could you know

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gain his bearings again and find out if

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we were truly lost or not at this point

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it was about 3:00 in the morning and we

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were under a pitch-black Montana sky I

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mean the Big Sky Montana if you've never

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seen it's just it's unbelievable you

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know even if you're in a

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life-threatening moment it'll make you

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forget about everything just the beauty

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of it all and underneath this huge

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crystal-clear black sky with just stars

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that you could reach out and touch there

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we were just postholing across you know

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two feet of snow

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going a couple feet at a time just you

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know making no headway and we were my

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friends and I were very angry very angry

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at this guy but what we were gonna do so

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anyway right at that moment he goes you

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guys don't believe me that aids was

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mainlined into society by the American

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government and you don't believe me that

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y2k

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31st 1999 isn't the end of the world

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he's like you don't believe in any of

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that and we

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like the guys name was Todd we were like

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Todd we're like just shut the up

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and just get us to your cabin he goes

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I'm not moving another foot we're not

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going anywhere until you tell me what

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that is and then he pointed up to the

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sky

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and reluctantly my friend and I looked

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up and there it was it was huge it was

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almost the size of the full moon and the

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moon was almost full that night and it

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was a circular object it was just this

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piercing white on top and green on the

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bottom with just this red strobe going

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across it just you know pulsating across

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and my friend and I looked up and we saw

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this thing and immediately we just fell

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back in the snow like just you know the

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snow was basically up to our waist so

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when we just fell over we were you know

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just laying there and we were looking up

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in the sky just looking at this thing it

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wasn't moving at all but it would the

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light was just you know the green and

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the white and the red strobe and we

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could tell you know from this that this

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this guy had seen as this guy Todd had

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seen as so many times it was almost a

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bore to him and we laid there for you

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know about a minute and then all of a

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sudden this thing just started dancing

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all over the place if you could picture

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the Rocky Mountains in the distance

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under the moonlight you know with just

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jagged snow-covered peaks and you know

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there's there's the moonlight just

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illuminating off from here was this

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thing went from just hanging over our

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head to within a split second it was

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just dancing up and around the rocky

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mountain peaks before coming to a quick

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rest and it would stop for a few seconds

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and then just start dancing above the

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rocky mountain peaks again and then all

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of a sudden shot back up into the sky

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and it just stood stationary my friends

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and I my friend that I literally had

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tears just streaming down the sides of

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our face you know it was like a

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combination of terror and awe and we

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didn't even know what to think

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and the guy Todd was standing right next

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to us the whole time and he goes he goes

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you think that's messed up

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you know what's called his boys he's

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like boys you think that's messed up

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he's like there's usually four or five

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of those things all flying around in

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formation because that's why my wife and

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my daughter won't come back up here

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anymore they're too scared

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you know and that's when he told us wait

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till you meet my friends tomorrow

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they'll tell you stories about these

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things that you won't believe well we

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ended up making at the Todd's cabin that

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night and you know I'm cutting through a

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pretty grand story just to get to the

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back half of this where we met somebody

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else who actually had a basically a

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run-in with one of these objects

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it wasn't essentially the object that we

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saw but it was a as this man described

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it not Todd but one of his friends

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described it was a circular craft and he

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and his other friend were hunting one

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day and they were hunting near Todd's

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cabin which is where we were getting to

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the entire time we were walking to

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Todd's cabin but this was at another

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point and these other two people were

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hunting near Todd's cabin when they saw

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this like metallic like silverish you

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know circular you know it was a

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lenticular craft it was like a flying

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saucer I just hate saying those words

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but he said it floated in over the trees

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just above treetop level and this other

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gentleman and his friend were just

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watching this thing and which wasn't a

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good decision which I'm about to say

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these guys made a bad decision when the

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other guy took a shot at this thing it

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wasn't too far away you know he said was

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you know maybe a hundred hundred and

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fifty feet off the ground and the one

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guy took a shot at it and he said you

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know he didn't know if he hit it but he

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said that the craft actually buckled

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after he shot and he saw that after he

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shot he shot at this thing that it

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started moving toward him so these guys

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who were in the same clearing that my

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friend and I and Todd were walking

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through

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the aegis ran for cover they ran for the

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treeline when they saw this thing slowly

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starting to move over the trees and

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start following them in their direction

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so while they were in the trees this

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craft was pretty much just scope and

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form just hovering over the trees like

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you know just trying to find out exactly

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where they were on the forest floor and

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he said at the very last moment the

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craft found him it was hovering right

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overhead as they were like pretty much

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hugging a tree just trying not to be

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seen or heard or anything and he said

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that the bottom of this craft opened up

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and out of the bottom of it spilled this

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liquid this very viscous gelatinous red

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liquid and it got all over them it got

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all over the one man and then got on the

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arm of the other man and when this guy

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who was telling me this story I it was

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now about a year and a half after this

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happened to him he was riddled in tumors

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I mean he is hold his whole back was

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just it was gross he showed me his

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friend who got hit in the hand and the

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arm his hand was all red you know

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whatever whatever this stuff was I mean

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if it wasn't radioactive it was

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extremely poisonous

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so between Todd the guy that took us up

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to the cabin who showed us the initial

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UFO and his friends who told us this

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story about getting hit with this

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material that came out of the bottom of

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this craft you know I asked him and my

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friend asked him what do you think this

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was you know was this is this what we

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think it is it's not from here these

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guys didn't want to hear they were

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conspiracy theorists throw him through

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they were getting ready for the end of

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the world they thought it was the

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American government you know not there

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was no other culprit in the world than

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the American government even if a

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straight-up alien just came up and

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looked at him face to face they would

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still think it was the American

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government but um we ended up leaving

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there and years later my wife and I my

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now wife ended up moving back to Montana

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and the people I was living with back

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then you know I had new friends and they

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were like Pat you tell this crazy story

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about being up north in Montana

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and all these UFOs and stuff happening

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he's like we got the weekend off let's

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go up there and I was like ah man I'm

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like like I said it's a nine-hour ride

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but we did my wife and I and some

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friends got up and got in the car and

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drove back up there and we ended up

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meeting up with some people who knew of

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Todd and knew of this other gentleman

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and the stories they told were were even

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more outrageous I won't even get into it

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because it'll you know lessen the

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validity of what I'm telling but

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basically what they were telling my now

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wife and my friends years later when we

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went back up there it scared me and it

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scared my wife and it scared my friends

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so bad that we took off we lasted up

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there maybe four hours we drove nine

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hours up there and lasted four hours

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because these people were so still

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wrapped up in government conspiracies

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and you know and this and that but all I

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will say is that they call montana big

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sky country for a reason and you know if

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you look on you know a map where cities

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are lighted up and are lit up I should

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say and you see the power usage of each

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area in the country Montana it's nothing

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it's just black and if you ask anybody

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in Montana I would say one out of five

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people will tell you a great UFO story

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you know the Great Falls missile silo

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was out there which you know carried the

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nukes in the late 60s they have missile

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silos all over Montana that nobody knows

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about you know in the Great Falls case

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of 1967 when the UFO came in and just

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shut all Ted missiles down made them

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non-operational it really is I'll tell

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you one thing if you want to go and

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possibly see a UFO in the lower 48

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states Montana is probably one of the

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top three places to go but this was the

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story that started it all after after

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seeing this you know I didn't get into

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UFOs

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Hevy right off the bat after seeing that

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I did grow into a couple years of my 20s

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and do stuff but it was in my late 20s

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and early 30s that I was like after

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seeing a couple more really bizarre

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flying unidentified flying objects as I

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should say that the doors were open with

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this but it was that first encounter

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that really like I said blew the doors

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off my reality and just to reiterate one

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more time it was this thing was the

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woman we initially saw at the first UFO

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that my friend and I felt back into the

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snow you know it was huge you looked at

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the moon you could picture a big moon

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this was almost that size white on top

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green on the bottom with a red strobe

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and just it danced all over the sky came

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to arrest and as this guy said there's

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usually like four or five of them flying

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around the formation up there so if you

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ever want to check it out go to Montana

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northwest corner you know hang out there

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for a couple nights during the summer

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during some clear clear black nights and

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you got a high probability of seeing

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something but that's that story I guess

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the best way to fully understand exactly

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what I saw and experienced late one

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night back in 2014 we have to go back

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three years prior to 2011 and what a

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very good friend of mine saw in that

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exact location this is the very

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northwest corner of New Jersey in a

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rural area on a little river called the

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moose connect on River and my friend who

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will call mark as a bunch of years older

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than me a very prominent businessman an

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upstanding member of the community so

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when he talks people tend to listen and

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when he decided to drop this story on me

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one day I was shell-shocked to say the

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least

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but mark knew of my interest in the UFO

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topic and he heard me have conversations

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about it from time to time and even

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partook in some of those conversations

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but I had no idea that for three years

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he'd been living with this bottled up

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experience that rocked him to the core

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he had never told anybody about it which

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is what he proceeded the story with Pat

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I never

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explain this to anybody I don't even

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think you're gonna believe me but ever

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since he told me the story the first

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time and many times after he has cried

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sobbed as soon as he started telling the

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story because it was apparently so

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overwhelming but as he tells it he and

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his brother were fishing one day in the

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river they both had hip waders on so

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they were standing in the water and he

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said they kept hearing this high

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whizzing sound like the zoo and he and

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his brother just kept looking at each

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other not knowing what to make of it he

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said after a few minutes he had the

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compulsion to look to his right and he

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said standing there in the water right

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next to him was this 8-foot tall half

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mantas half-man

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almost like looming over him he said he

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couldn't believe what he was looking at

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obviously but he also said in the first

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couple instances that he felt that this

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thing couldn't believe that it was

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actually being seen mark immediately

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fell back into the water out of pure

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fright he said he lost control of all

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his bodily functions and he said as he

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was looking at it it was looking back at

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him and peering deep into his soul it

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could feel all his emotions and read all

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his thoughts and this experience lasted

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no more than 15 seconds but I stopped

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him right there to to ask him you know

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what did this thing look like exactly he

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said it was way more insect-like than it

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it looked like man but it had like the

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physical maneuvers and the motor

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functions of like a human being I asked

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him what did he feel was this you know

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did he feel like it was good or bad and

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he said it was just too overwhelming he

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didn't feel any evil coming from it but

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he said what I thought to be the most

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interesting it was like looking at God

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he said there was like this body length

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halo around it like this orange light

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and he said within an instant after the

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10 or 15 seconds this lasted the entity

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just disappeared like in the snap of a

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finger

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I had him stopped again to explain

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how this happened when it was standing

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just directly in front of them and it

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came down to a theory that we kind of

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both had where life exists on different

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frequencies and human life exists on a

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frequency that we're all familiar with

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but when we go back to this thing kind

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of not being able to believe that it was

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being seen I have a feeling that it

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could have been standing right next to

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him the whole time but it was just on a

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different frequency that we don't pick

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up so I asked him you know what happened

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next and he said after it disappeared he

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looked to his brother and he could tell

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immediately that his brother saw it as

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well his brother and he were very close

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their whole life but since that moment

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when they saw this thing he and the

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brother I've never spoken again he said

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his brother took off and left mark

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they're trying to claw his way out of

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the water and Mark eventually made it

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back to his car and tried to contact his

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brother who was long gone by that and he

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said since then his brother has answered

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the phone a few times but will not

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discuss it and will not even have a

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relationship with mark anymore now I

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asked mark many questions about what

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exactly happened in his 10 and 15

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seconds and he just said that this thing

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appeared so deep into him that he was

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just paralyzed with with fright so this

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brings us to 2014 three years later when

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I had a very remarkable experience in

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that exact same area I mean we're

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talking 100 yards away from where Mark

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had this sighting of the man --this man

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and i took my dog for a walk one night

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and we went into an old abandoned

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campground that was right there and i

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decided to cut off the trail walk into

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the woods a little bit and when i

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started looking into the woods i saw

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this a very bright orange orb like light

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it was about 75 yards away and I just

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kept thinking for for a little while

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that it was a garage light you know

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but I realized I knew this area very

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well and I knew there was no houses back

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there and it definitely wasn't somebody

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with a flashlight because this orange

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light kept going from the forest floor

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up into the tree and then coming back

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down so it was it was moving up and down

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about 40 feet just over and over again

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the floor of the forest was very flat so

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I sat there and just looked at this

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thing as I was looking at it I could

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tell it was moving a little closer you

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know not each time I blinked but I could

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tell the light was getting brighter it

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was it was a very weird orange it would

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go from dark to light almost like it was

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reflect a refracting light and then

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turning it into these these different

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bright and dark orange colors but the

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other thing that I found very strange

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that the whole force with dead silent it

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I just noticed in an instant that it was

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complete silence and the most incredible

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part of this is after I'd say a minute

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or two every four-legged animal in the

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woods just goes blowing by me on both

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sides of my periphery I mean it was like

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it went from dead silence to just like

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seeing deer burst by me and hearing like

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other creatures just take off right on

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both sides of me my dog was just she

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wasn't even on her feet anymore she was

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just laying there trembling and when I

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looked back and caught focus of this

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orange light again I saw that it was

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starting to move towards me I'm more of

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a rapid pace and I was I was petrified I

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eventually got to my feet and without my

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dog even getting up I just dragged her

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out of the woods to where the road of

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the campground was again and I saw as

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the orange orb just started moving right

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to where I was sitting on the log

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and as I stood there you know with all

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the hair on my body standing up I

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watched this thing as I just slowly made

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my way out of the campground back to the

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main road and it was incredible

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this orange light went from just

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hovering in the woods there to shooting

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straight up like right out of the force

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up through the trees the canopy of the

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trees just go on straight up from just

543
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:04,129
hovering there to a reminded me of a

544
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:06,610
video I saw one of the best I think

545
00:22:12,249 --> 00:22:10,129
which is a UFO in Jerusalem that just

546
00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:12,259
comes down in front of a gang of people

547
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:15,049
just surrounding it and then after you

548
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:16,369
know maybe a minute just shoots right

549
00:22:22,029 --> 00:22:20,330
back up into the sky after this happened

550
00:22:25,509 --> 00:22:22,039
I contacted a mark and told him about

551
00:22:27,820 --> 00:22:25,519
this and we had gotten together many

552
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:27,830
times after that to do nothing but

553
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:30,080
discuss this we used to get together

554
00:22:33,940 --> 00:22:32,330
maybe once every two weeks and you know

555
00:22:35,889 --> 00:22:33,950
talk about all sorts of things but now

556
00:22:38,649 --> 00:22:35,899
we were getting together twice a week

557
00:22:40,899 --> 00:22:38,659
and I became like his therapist where he

558
00:22:43,690 --> 00:22:40,909
would just recount a story over and over

559
00:22:45,070 --> 00:22:43,700
again we would break it apart so I told

560
00:22:47,919 --> 00:22:45,080
him one day I'm like you know what I'm

561
00:22:49,690 --> 00:22:47,929
like let me look up if anybody else has

562
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:49,700
seen this thing on the musket at Kona

563
00:22:55,149 --> 00:22:52,970
River and lo and behold there's a

564
00:22:57,639 --> 00:22:55,159
gentleman who wasn't far away who made

565
00:22:59,980 --> 00:22:57,649
an entire website out of the Mantis Man

566
00:23:02,710 --> 00:22:59,990
of the Muscadet Kong River apparently

567
00:23:07,090 --> 00:23:02,720
this thing has been seen multiple times

568
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:07,100
by different people but the best part

569
00:23:11,859 --> 00:23:09,440
about this is that it was really him

570
00:23:13,509 --> 00:23:11,869
saying that it was just so lightyears

571
00:23:17,169 --> 00:23:13,519
ahead of anything that he could even

572
00:23:19,509 --> 00:23:17,179
comprehend and he said the way that it

573
00:23:22,330 --> 00:23:19,519
just looked like a God with the light

574
00:23:24,489 --> 00:23:22,340
around it right before it vanished I

575
00:23:28,570 --> 00:23:24,499
actually wrote a little article about

576
00:23:31,780 --> 00:23:28,580
this oh not too long afterwards and

577
00:23:34,030 --> 00:23:31,790
put it online in a town forum and just

578
00:23:36,850 --> 00:23:34,040
by chance some TV show from the

579
00:23:38,350 --> 00:23:36,860
Discovery Channel found it and asked me

580
00:23:41,770 --> 00:23:38,360
if I would contact mark so they could

581
00:23:45,460 --> 00:23:41,780
interview him and they did and his story

582
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:45,470
has never wavered and we've broken it

583
00:23:52,210 --> 00:23:48,890
apart many many times but it really

584
00:23:55,140 --> 00:23:52,220
comes down to what this thing looked

585
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:55,150
like and what it was projecting into him

586
00:24:01,480 --> 00:23:57,410
he said it was definitely a book a

587
00:24:02,980 --> 00:24:01,490
benevolent force but it was just

588
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:02,990
something that he couldn't understand

589
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:06,050
and he wish he never saw and then I

590
00:24:10,690 --> 00:24:07,370
asked him do you really mean that

591
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:10,700
and he says no but I've had to live with

592
00:24:16,450 --> 00:24:14,480
this now knowing that I'm not crazy and

593
00:24:18,610 --> 00:24:16,460
knowing that I have something that I

594
00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:18,620
experienced that basically you're the

595
00:24:24,460 --> 00:24:21,710
only one I could ever tell and you know

596
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:24,470
he went on the TV show anonymous who

597
00:24:29,050 --> 00:24:26,570
knows who saw it but he's never

598
00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:29,060
explained this story to anybody else in

599
00:24:34,090 --> 00:24:31,130
our area where we'll even talk about it

600
00:24:36,370 --> 00:24:34,100
but this all happened in the same you

601
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:36,380
know vicinity of Lake you know 200 yards

602
00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:38,000
stretch of almost connect on River and

603
00:24:44,260 --> 00:24:40,310
then down even further other people have

604
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:44,270
seen this this man --this man so i don't

605
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:45,770
know what's going on around that area

606
00:25:03,490 --> 00:24:59,550
owls are somehow connected to ufos I

607
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:03,500
don't say that lightly after over a

608
00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:06,050
decade of obsessive investigation I am

609
00:25:11,290 --> 00:25:09,110
convinced of this connection as strange

610
00:25:13,090 --> 00:25:11,300
as it may seem people are seeing owls in

611
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:13,100
the highly-charged moments of a UFO

612
00:25:18,250 --> 00:25:15,290
sighting and within the challenging

613
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:18,260
memories of UFO abduction this mystery

614
00:25:23,740 --> 00:25:21,440
has been the focus of my research my

615
00:25:25,660 --> 00:25:23,750
name is Mike Cleland and I have explored

616
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:25,670
these connections in my book the

617
00:25:29,340 --> 00:25:27,130
messengers

618
00:25:31,890 --> 00:25:29,350
at its core this book is simply a

619
00:25:35,549 --> 00:25:31,900
collection of stories and each is a

620
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:35,559
remarkable real-life experience the

621
00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:39,250
messenger's is also my own story of how

622
00:25:45,150 --> 00:25:42,510
owls played a role in my life

623
00:25:47,730 --> 00:25:45,160
the messenger's is the first in a

624
00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:47,740
trilogy of books all my books are

625
00:25:58,140 --> 00:25:50,710
available on Amazon in paperback eBook

626
00:25:59,720 --> 00:25:58,150
and very soon as audiobooks well I grew

627
00:26:03,169 --> 00:25:59,730
up next to one of the most notorious

628
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:03,179
creepy downright scary roads in America

629
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:06,850
simply called shades of death Road say a

630
00:26:11,730 --> 00:26:09,010
seven mile stretch winding through the

631
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:11,740
cornfields of northern New Jersey and

632
00:26:14,610 --> 00:26:13,330
even on a clear day if you hang a right

633
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:14,620
and head down that road it's like

634
00:26:19,649 --> 00:26:17,650
traveling into midnight the road itself

635
00:26:22,350 --> 00:26:19,659
has steeped in hundreds of years of war

636
00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:22,360
I mean the amount of spirits and

637
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:25,809
specters and ghosts - UFOs that have

638
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:27,370
been seen down there through the years

639
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,159
by people who've reported it people that

640
00:26:36,810 --> 00:26:32,799
I know it's been thrust into the

641
00:26:38,220 --> 00:26:36,820
limelight as of late Jack Osbourne and

642
00:26:41,010 --> 00:26:38,230
his crew from whatever show there was

643
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,020
travelled down there and had all sorts

644
00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:43,360
of problems equipment malfunction their

645
00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:46,510
car broke down I had a flat tire but

646
00:26:51,690 --> 00:26:47,950
they took a few pictures on the one

647
00:26:52,529 --> 00:26:51,700
picture of a shadowy figure standing

648
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,539
next to it

649
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:55,120
standing next to a tree was really one

650
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,530
of the best I've seen of the unexplained

651
00:27:00,810 --> 00:26:57,760
on shades of death Road through the

652
00:27:03,090 --> 00:27:00,820
years it's it's a man who they said it

653
00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:03,100
was right in front of him but he was not

654
00:27:06,990 --> 00:27:05,590
there but to tell you about my

655
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:07,000
experience is down on shades of death

656
00:27:11,779 --> 00:27:09,450
Road I should probably precede that with

657
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:11,789
giving you a little history on the road

658
00:27:16,140 --> 00:27:14,080
it was originally a settlement between

659
00:27:18,050 --> 00:27:16,150
the Iroquois and the Lenape Indians who

660
00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:18,060
had fierce battles back there

661
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:20,820
and a lot of the area just became a

662
00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:24,930
burial ground so when the white man came

663
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:27,480
in it caused a lot of tension and

664
00:27:32,180 --> 00:27:29,580
friction and running along the road is a

665
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:32,190
state park somewhat famous State Park

666
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:35,010
called Jenny jump and as the legend goes

667
00:27:40,340 --> 00:27:37,650
a white settler and his daughter were up

668
00:27:42,410 --> 00:27:40,350
on the ridge there surrounded by one of

669
00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:42,420
the tribes of Indians and the white man

670
00:27:46,130 --> 00:27:43,860
not knowing what was going to happen to

671
00:27:47,660 --> 00:27:46,140
him or his daughter convinced his

672
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:47,670
daughter to just run and jump off the

673
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:51,840
cliff hence the name Jenny jump but the

674
00:27:57,140 --> 00:27:53,510
road itself is filled with all sorts of

675
00:27:59,570 --> 00:27:57,150
landmarks such as the fairy hole which

676
00:28:02,750 --> 00:27:59,580
is a really creepy cave that was only

677
00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:02,760
discovered in the early 1900s even

678
00:28:07,580 --> 00:28:04,440
though people were back there for for

679
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,590
quite a long time it overlooks a lot of

680
00:28:12,860 --> 00:28:09,120
the burial ground and is said to have

681
00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:12,870
contained all sorts of bones and pottery

682
00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:16,440
and you know arrowheads and a lot of the

683
00:28:20,180 --> 00:28:17,640
bones that they took out of there they

684
00:28:22,540 --> 00:28:20,190
really couldn't identify but the most

685
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,550
famous landmark on there is ghost Lake

686
00:28:27,710 --> 00:28:24,480
which is where I had one of my

687
00:28:30,260 --> 00:28:27,720
experiences this was a it seems to be a

688
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:30,270
man-made pond that was flooded by two

689
00:28:35,150 --> 00:28:33,360
men back in the day but what they didn't

690
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,160
know is that the low-lying area that

691
00:28:40,820 --> 00:28:37,440
they flooded was really the big portion

692
00:28:42,530 --> 00:28:40,830
of the the burial ground there's also an

693
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:42,540
abandoned cabin back there with a piano

694
00:28:47,930 --> 00:28:46,530
built into the wall where you know a lot

695
00:28:49,940 --> 00:28:47,940
of young kids especially when I was

696
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,950
young we would go back there and even

697
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:51,360
though I never heard anything some of my

698
00:28:55,150 --> 00:28:53,610
friends claimed to have heard some

699
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:55,160
really weird stuff coming out of there

700
00:29:01,640 --> 00:28:58,050
especially like the piano music in the

701
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:01,650
dead of winter but some kids had a quite

702
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:04,080
a harrowing experience in the early 80s

703
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:07,050
back there that was written about if you

704
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:08,250
want to look that up it's it's quite

705
00:29:14,660 --> 00:29:10,770
interesting it was a you know an

706
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:14,670
unnerving story but like I said the the

707
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:16,500
road itself is filled with all sorts of

708
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:18,170
spirits you know they said you know

709
00:29:22,730 --> 00:29:20,490
drivers driving down the road would see

710
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:22,740
like a vision of a deer just running

711
00:29:27,260 --> 00:29:25,650
alongside their car which which would

712
00:29:28,430 --> 00:29:27,270
signify that deers were about to come

713
00:29:29,060 --> 00:29:28,440
out and you were supposed to slow down

714
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:29,070
and

715
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:31,490
you know there's a Native American

716
00:29:36,289 --> 00:29:33,809
spirit guide that just shows up on the

717
00:29:37,879 --> 00:29:36,299
sides of the road but some of the

718
00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:37,889
scarier stuff is you know they had a

719
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:39,539
hanging tree down there I do know that

720
00:29:43,730 --> 00:29:41,490
the people who live down there very

721
00:29:46,580 --> 00:29:43,740
early on took you know justice into

722
00:29:48,259 --> 00:29:46,590
their own hands and there's a tree that

723
00:29:51,169 --> 00:29:48,269
overhangs the road which apparently a

724
00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:51,179
lot of people were hung from and some

725
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:53,940
people have seen you know the remnants

726
00:29:59,960 --> 00:29:55,710
of people hanging there in some kind of

727
00:30:02,810 --> 00:29:59,970
spirit form in the 30s there was a woman

728
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:02,820
who beheaded her husband and buried his

729
00:30:08,029 --> 00:30:04,529
body on one side of the road in his head

730
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:08,039
on the other one of the the big stores

731
00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:09,480
that I grew up with was the girl in the

732
00:30:16,159 --> 00:30:11,220
50s who was coming back from her prom

733
00:30:18,049 --> 00:30:16,169
who died in a fiery car wreck and you

734
00:30:20,060 --> 00:30:18,059
know I would hear all sorts of stories

735
00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:20,070
from people young and old who would see

736
00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:22,409
this girl you know walking the road in

737
00:30:27,860 --> 00:30:25,529
her in her burnt prom dress one of the

738
00:30:30,499 --> 00:30:27,870
really weird things was um you know in

739
00:30:33,950 --> 00:30:30,509
the 90s some hikers found hundreds

740
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:33,960
thousands of um Polaroids scattered

741
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:35,039
throughout the forest

742
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:37,529
you know these Polaroids were just you

743
00:30:40,940 --> 00:30:38,970
know and it wasn't just one group of

744
00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:40,950
hikers it was a couple different groups

745
00:30:46,340 --> 00:30:43,320
of hikers at different times found these

746
00:30:48,529 --> 00:30:46,350
pictures and the pictures were of women

747
00:30:50,629 --> 00:30:48,539
in distress who are like you know bound

748
00:30:52,669 --> 00:30:50,639
up with her eyes like half open you know

749
00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:52,679
you could tell they were alive a

750
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:55,799
television same television and different

751
00:31:01,009 --> 00:30:57,690
pictures just turned to different

752
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:01,019
channels and men like laid out on on

753
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:04,799
steel sheets from what the from what the

754
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:06,690
police were able to deduce some of these

755
00:31:11,389 --> 00:31:08,730
people in this picture in these pictures

756
00:31:13,399 --> 00:31:11,399
were of missing people that they've been

757
00:31:15,980 --> 00:31:13,409
looking for for quite some time so you

758
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:15,990
know whatever it was it was quite

759
00:31:20,869 --> 00:31:18,960
nefarious but the road should really

760
00:31:22,460 --> 00:31:20,879
have been you know paved in blood with

761
00:31:25,070 --> 00:31:22,470
all the violence that went on down there

762
00:31:27,019 --> 00:31:25,080
there were bands you know thieves and

763
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:27,029
and highway men who you know if you

764
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:28,409
would get off one of the main roads head

765
00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:32,159
into New York City you were robbed and

766
00:31:38,030 --> 00:31:34,800
killed along this stretch of forest

767
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:38,040
you know in Warren County New Jersey but

768
00:31:42,980 --> 00:31:39,720
the first instance that I had down there

769
00:31:45,530 --> 00:31:42,990
was uh was that Ghost Lake and I was

770
00:31:47,270 --> 00:31:45,540
about 17 years old and you know I grew

771
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:47,280
up hurt here in about this place and

772
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:49,710
it's only right down the road for me so

773
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:53,310
I convinced my girlfriend to drop me off

774
00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:55,050
there one night at like nine o'clock so

775
00:31:58,220 --> 00:31:56,100
I could go fishing

776
00:32:00,560 --> 00:31:58,230
I'm a terrible fisherman but I went down

777
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:00,570
there with a pole and threw my line in

778
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:02,730
the water and after like 10 or 15

779
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:05,760
minutes this uh this other fisherman

780
00:32:09,650 --> 00:32:07,290
just appeared out of nowhere you know if

781
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:09,660
I was standing at six o'clock right

782
00:32:13,460 --> 00:32:10,980
around the shoreline at like 10 o'clock

783
00:32:15,140 --> 00:32:13,470
was this other fisherman and the lake

784
00:32:17,510 --> 00:32:15,150
itself is is really it's a glorified

785
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,520
lake it's more like a pond but you can

786
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:19,200
see the whole shoreline you could see

787
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:20,730
everything it was a crystal-clear night

788
00:32:24,890 --> 00:32:23,340
the stars were out but the mist was all

789
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:24,900
over the place you know hanging over the

790
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:27,210
lake and you know in the woods and when

791
00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:28,770
I was looking at this guy this fisherman

792
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:30,750
you couldn't see the bottom half of his

793
00:32:35,510 --> 00:32:33,510
body I kept looking and you know it was

794
00:32:36,890 --> 00:32:35,520
really just from the waist up but the

795
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:36,900
weird thing was I kept thinking to

796
00:32:42,140 --> 00:32:38,730
myself I probably know this guy you know

797
00:32:44,780 --> 00:32:42,150
I'm from the area he looked exactly like

798
00:32:48,110 --> 00:32:44,790
me he had a baseball cap pulled way down

799
00:32:49,820 --> 00:32:48,120
he had no equipment with him but every

800
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:49,830
time I started walking towards him I

801
00:32:53,690 --> 00:32:51,210
would walk five feet towards him you

802
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:53,700
know along the shoreline he would move

803
00:32:57,650 --> 00:32:56,010
away from me five feet if I would move

804
00:32:59,690 --> 00:32:57,660
ten yards towards him it was like a

805
00:33:01,490 --> 00:32:59,700
dance every time I moved he would move

806
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:01,500
the exact same distance away from me

807
00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:04,770
until I got to the spot where he was

808
00:33:09,020 --> 00:33:06,510
originally standing and now he was

809
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:09,030
completely across the lake and I was

810
00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:10,710
starting to get on nerve it was really

811
00:33:16,130 --> 00:33:12,600
if the guy was trying to creep me out he

812
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:16,140
was doing a really good job but as I sat

813
00:33:19,820 --> 00:33:18,000
there looking at him I still Kat to this

814
00:33:21,260 --> 00:33:19,830
point I could I look down at my own legs

815
00:33:22,730 --> 00:33:21,270
I'm like well there are my legs how come

816
00:33:26,270 --> 00:33:22,740
I can't see this the bottom half of this

817
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:26,280
guy and he he ducked behind this cluster

818
00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:28,050
of three trees I'll never forget it and

819
00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:29,910
I thought he was just ducking behind

820
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:31,080
these trees to come out the other side

821
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:32,610
so he can continue down the shoreline

822
00:33:38,690 --> 00:33:35,310
fishing but he walked behind these trees

823
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:38,700
and never came out and backing up where

824
00:33:42,380 --> 00:33:40,650
he was was the state park there was no

825
00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:42,390
roads there it's not like he was walking

826
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:44,760
to get out and it just really just

827
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:46,710
backed up into like a cliff

828
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:48,690
so unless this guy came with climbing

829
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:52,799
equipment and you know or was living in

830
00:33:56,060 --> 00:33:54,450
the woods I have no idea where this guy

831
00:33:57,860 --> 00:33:56,070
could have went and you could you could

832
00:34:00,019 --> 00:33:57,870
see the man would he started walking

833
00:34:01,580 --> 00:34:00,029
around the tree you know it wasn't like

834
00:34:03,019 --> 00:34:01,590
you know there was foliage covering

835
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:03,029
covering it all but I could see him

836
00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:04,289
starting to walk around the cluster of

837
00:34:09,740 --> 00:34:08,099
three trees and that was it and when he

838
00:34:11,210 --> 00:34:09,750
just when he disappeared literally right

839
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:11,220
in front of my face because I I wasn't

840
00:34:13,970 --> 00:34:12,720
even paying attention to me fishing I

841
00:34:16,250 --> 00:34:13,980
had a line in the water just to make it

842
00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:16,260
look like I was but I just kept watching

843
00:34:21,020 --> 00:34:19,560
this guy and when he never came back out

844
00:34:22,609 --> 00:34:21,030
I ended up I don't know how I got the

845
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:22,619
nerve but I walked all the way around

846
00:34:27,470 --> 00:34:25,530
the lake to the tree and continued all

847
00:34:30,050 --> 00:34:27,480
the way back to my point of origin and I

848
00:34:31,820 --> 00:34:30,060
couldn't find this guy anywhere you know

849
00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:31,830
there was no sign of them you know there

850
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:34,980
wasn't like he left no bait or tackle or

851
00:34:41,060 --> 00:34:37,260
footprints in the mud or anything and I

852
00:34:43,550 --> 00:34:41,070
was looking so at that point I I was I

853
00:34:44,780 --> 00:34:43,560
was scared and I told my girlfriend to

854
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:44,790
come back and pick me up in two hours

855
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:46,649
this was about an hour and a half later

856
00:34:52,369 --> 00:34:49,679
and I was like I was finished I figured

857
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:52,379
I'd just go out to the road and wait for

858
00:34:55,700 --> 00:34:54,210
her there you know even though it was

859
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:55,710
dark and all this it was a little less

860
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,800
scary than the lake two and a half hours

861
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:00,480
came and she still wasn't there and I

862
00:35:04,210 --> 00:35:02,130
was getting I was a little perturbed so

863
00:35:06,770 --> 00:35:04,220
I walked I started walking you know the

864
00:35:08,570 --> 00:35:06,780
you know the distance a mile a couple

865
00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:08,580
miles back out to the main road which

866
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:10,710
took a little while but I made it to a

867
00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:14,010
payphone and I called her and she was

868
00:35:17,060 --> 00:35:15,660
livid she was like literally sitting by

869
00:35:19,940 --> 00:35:17,070
the phone waiting for me to call hoping

870
00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:19,950
I would call and she got in a car came

871
00:35:24,380 --> 00:35:21,660
to get me when I got in the car she like

872
00:35:25,220 --> 00:35:24,390
reamed me out she told me you know I

873
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:25,230
she's like

874
00:35:28,339 --> 00:35:26,880
you you I even think you were gonna last

875
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,349
more than an hour there so I came back

876
00:35:33,740 --> 00:35:30,720
she came back for me

877
00:35:36,380 --> 00:35:33,750
and you know against her better judgment

878
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:36,390
she got out of the car walked down the

879
00:35:40,849 --> 00:35:38,609
little ways to ghost Lake to come get me

880
00:35:42,770 --> 00:35:40,859
and she says I kept looking for you but

881
00:35:44,270 --> 00:35:42,780
you weren't there I called your name I

882
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:44,280
was there for like you know a little

883
00:35:48,589 --> 00:35:46,680
less than five minutes but you were not

884
00:35:50,359 --> 00:35:48,599
there and this is like virtually

885
00:35:52,130 --> 00:35:50,369
impossible because especially if you're

886
00:35:53,450 --> 00:35:52,140
calling my name calling somebody's name

887
00:35:55,220 --> 00:35:53,460
you could see the whole shoreline

888
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:55,230
there's not a big lake at all

889
00:35:59,579 --> 00:35:57,210
you know if anybody's there you could

890
00:36:01,680 --> 00:35:59,589
see him perfectly

891
00:36:04,019 --> 00:36:01,690
so when I told her that I'd been there

892
00:36:06,420 --> 00:36:04,029
the whole time and there's no way that

893
00:36:09,209 --> 00:36:06,430
she could have missed me she just

894
00:36:11,249 --> 00:36:09,219
thought I took off and I found this

895
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:11,259
almost even almost as strange as the

896
00:36:16,019 --> 00:36:14,410
fisherman itself because you know how

897
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,029
could she come down there and I wasn't

898
00:36:19,890 --> 00:36:18,160
there I made a point of standing right

899
00:36:21,630 --> 00:36:19,900
where the trailhead was at in the

900
00:36:23,279 --> 00:36:21,640
beginning and never really took my eyes

901
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:23,289
off it so if somebody entered that from

902
00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:25,359
that area and especially calling my name

903
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:27,190
there's no way that they were gonna miss

904
00:36:32,370 --> 00:36:30,729
me and after I told her the whole story

905
00:36:34,469 --> 00:36:32,380
about the fishermen and her coming down

906
00:36:35,819 --> 00:36:34,479
here and not being able to see me you

907
00:36:38,609 --> 00:36:35,829
know right there in front of her where I

908
00:36:40,049 --> 00:36:38,619
told her I was the whole time she was on

909
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:40,059
nerve to say the least and I was a

910
00:36:46,380 --> 00:36:42,880
little I I was left scratching my head

911
00:36:48,539 --> 00:36:46,390
but the the second instance I had down

912
00:36:50,309 --> 00:36:48,549
there was about six months later and I

913
00:36:52,170 --> 00:36:50,319
told a friend of mine about the whole

914
00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:52,180
fishermen and you know what I saw and

915
00:36:55,890 --> 00:36:53,529
he's like look let's go down the Lynott

916
00:36:58,799 --> 00:36:55,900
Bay Lane now they always they claim to

917
00:37:02,069 --> 00:36:58,809
see these white orbs down there that

918
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:02,079
eventually turned red you know if we and

919
00:37:07,799 --> 00:37:05,920
some sort of you know we're in a weird

920
00:37:09,539 --> 00:37:07,809
situation these white these white lights

921
00:37:11,779 --> 00:37:09,549
eventually turned red to signify that

922
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:11,789
you know danger is imminent or whatnot

923
00:37:15,539 --> 00:37:13,690
when my friends and I went down there

924
00:37:18,299 --> 00:37:15,549
and you know we hung out next to the car

925
00:37:20,609 --> 00:37:18,309
we took you know a couple brief walks

926
00:37:21,930 --> 00:37:20,619
into the woods maybe like 50 yards 25

927
00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:21,940
yards and then we'll come back out to

928
00:37:27,209 --> 00:37:25,420
the come back to the car but soon we saw

929
00:37:30,059 --> 00:37:27,219
this white light in the woods it looked

930
00:37:32,219 --> 00:37:30,069
like a really bright flashlight and it

931
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:32,229
would like flash on by like a tree and

932
00:37:37,049 --> 00:37:35,200
then flash off and then in like a near

933
00:37:39,509 --> 00:37:37,059
another tree that would flash on and

934
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:39,519
flash off it almost looked like you know

935
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:42,249
if it was something from the norm it

936
00:37:46,349 --> 00:37:43,690
would be a couple people back there

937
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:46,359
choreographing you know flashlights

938
00:37:49,469 --> 00:37:48,130
going on and the flashlights would blink

939
00:37:52,410 --> 00:37:49,479
like they were trying to like signal

940
00:37:54,479 --> 00:37:52,420
like Morse code with the light but just

941
00:37:56,309 --> 00:37:54,489
like the fishermen and this is what I

942
00:37:58,079 --> 00:37:56,319
explained to my friend we got the nerve

943
00:37:59,940 --> 00:37:58,089
I don't know how we did it but we

944
00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:59,950
started walking towards the light you

945
00:38:04,319 --> 00:38:01,839
know yelling now who is that this and

946
00:38:07,420 --> 00:38:04,329
that but the light never got any closer

947
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:07,430
and never got any farther away

948
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:10,010
and when we noticed this we were really

949
00:38:16,750 --> 00:38:12,290
starting to you know the old proverbial

950
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:16,760
hair was starting to stand up but soon

951
00:38:20,770 --> 00:38:18,710
the lights didn't weren't just shining

952
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,780
from one behind one tree and then moving

953
00:38:24,670 --> 00:38:22,160
to another tree they started going off

954
00:38:26,319 --> 00:38:24,680
in rapid succession from like one tree

955
00:38:29,049 --> 00:38:26,329
to the other and you know this kept

956
00:38:30,099 --> 00:38:29,059
going on real quick and one my friend

957
00:38:32,380 --> 00:38:30,109
and I saw this we didn't even say

958
00:38:35,410 --> 00:38:32,390
anything to each other we I think it was

959
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:35,420
me I just turned around and kind of kind

960
00:38:38,890 --> 00:38:37,130
of took off back towards the car you

961
00:38:42,329 --> 00:38:38,900
know we never saw the white light turned

962
00:38:44,589 --> 00:38:42,339
red I think if I would have saw that I

963
00:38:46,930 --> 00:38:44,599
don't know what the hell I would have

964
00:38:49,059 --> 00:38:46,940
done but I know I probably wouldn't have

965
00:38:50,650 --> 00:38:49,069
ever gone back there even in later years

966
00:38:52,990 --> 00:38:50,660
it took it took a while for me to go

967
00:38:56,890 --> 00:38:53,000
back there after these two these two

968
00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:56,900
instances but when I was about 15 the

969
00:39:03,370 --> 00:39:02,000
very first strange occurrence I had near

970
00:39:05,319 --> 00:39:03,380
shades of death Road was when my father

971
00:39:07,630 --> 00:39:05,329
and I went camping at the Jenny jump

972
00:39:09,819 --> 00:39:07,640
State Park and we were like kind of up

973
00:39:11,740 --> 00:39:09,829
on the ridgeline so you could look down

974
00:39:14,980 --> 00:39:11,750
and see the whole you can see that where

975
00:39:16,569 --> 00:39:14,990
the road was the patches of forest ghost

976
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:16,579
Lake you could it was almost like a

977
00:39:20,620 --> 00:39:18,170
model you can see the whole layout of

978
00:39:24,339 --> 00:39:20,630
everything and we're sitting up on the

979
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:24,349
ridge line and in this one huge patch of

980
00:39:29,770 --> 00:39:27,290
flat forest these bursts of white light

981
00:39:32,289 --> 00:39:29,780
were coming out like somebody with a

982
00:39:34,299 --> 00:39:32,299
with a flashlight was just running

983
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:34,309
through no not a flash like with a

984
00:39:38,650 --> 00:39:35,930
camera just running through the forest

985
00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:38,660
just you know popping off a flash you

986
00:39:41,289 --> 00:39:39,710
know it looked like somebody just

987
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:41,299
sprinting through the woods hitting a

988
00:39:47,230 --> 00:39:43,089
camera trigger and just you know

989
00:39:49,870 --> 00:39:47,240
erupting a flash of light and my dad

990
00:39:51,970 --> 00:39:49,880
who's a really grounded guy

991
00:39:54,580 --> 00:39:51,980
and a man of science i sat there I kept

992
00:39:56,620 --> 00:39:54,590
to ask him you know what is this and he

993
00:39:58,540 --> 00:39:56,630
was he was I don't want to say he was

994
00:40:00,970 --> 00:39:58,550
scared but he was definitely mystified

995
00:40:02,350 --> 00:40:00,980
of what was going on you know as he said

996
00:40:04,330 --> 00:40:02,360
and I remember he goes it looks like

997
00:40:06,430 --> 00:40:04,340
lightning you know it looked like a

998
00:40:08,410 --> 00:40:06,440
whole thunderstorm going off like

999
00:40:12,340 --> 00:40:08,420
underneath the canopy of the trees and

1000
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:12,350
uh I fought back I thought back to this

1001
00:40:15,790 --> 00:40:13,730
when I saw the white light down there

1002
00:40:18,010 --> 00:40:15,800
with my buddy because it was it was like

1003
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:18,020
a flash of light and then it would it

1004
00:40:21,010 --> 00:40:19,370
would go off or it looked like it ducked

1005
00:40:24,610 --> 00:40:21,020
behind trees and it just happened

1006
00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:24,620
eventually in rapid succession but when

1007
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:27,710
this happened with my father we sat

1008
00:40:31,540 --> 00:40:29,090
there for quite a while watching this

1009
00:40:33,610 --> 00:40:31,550
and it did not stop and there were no

1010
00:40:36,910 --> 00:40:33,620
houses back there there were no drives

1011
00:40:40,060 --> 00:40:36,920
there was just a patch of you know of

1012
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:40,070
empty woods and as I said it really it

1013
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:42,110
was quite a sight it actually looked

1014
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:44,570
cool you know just to see this dark dark

1015
00:40:48,850 --> 00:40:46,610
big patch of trees and just these bursts

1016
00:41:00,370 --> 00:40:48,860
of white just coming out like I said

1017
00:41:02,380 --> 00:41:00,380
like lightning somewhere in the skies is

1018
00:41:04,330 --> 00:41:02,390
produced by Third Kind productions in

1019
00:41:06,340 --> 00:41:04,340
association with the entertainment one